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- Honestly, it feels kind
of weird being here today.
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This is the first time
I've been inside of
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a Crossroads building for a
normal Sunday service in years.
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00:00:12
Hey, my name is Sean Boyce.
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I'm the Community Director
for Crossroads Anywhere.
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On most weekends, I'm
streaming just like you online
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with some of my friends in a
small town called Batesville.
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There's about 60 of us.
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So if you're joining
us today online,
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I want you to know that you're
as much a part of this place
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as anybody who's
in one of these seats.
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00:00:32
Now,
we've had some crazy weeks now.
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Our middle school students
are just coming back from camp.
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00:00:38
And it wasn't just
pizza and dodgeball.
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00:00:41
Sure. I'm sure there was
plenty of pizza and dodgeball.
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00:00:43
But it wasn't just that.
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00:00:44
Our students moved
closer to Jesus.
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00:00:46
They asked hard questions
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and really,
they found true belonging.
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00:00:50
In fact, I just heard that
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around 200 of our
students were baptized.
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Come on, that is amazing.
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Now we are actually here,
we're about to jump into
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some songs and we'll do
something called worship.
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Now, middle school camp,
our students,
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they leaned into this
song that became
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an anthem for them
called Good Bye Yesterday.
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Now, this song
isn't just for students.
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This is for anybody
who wants to move closer
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and toward that kind of life.
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So don't skip this part.
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Turn the music up and
let's worship together.
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- Here we go.
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- Take the words
of Jesus seriously.
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What He says we believe is true.
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We sing about it,
and it reminds us
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of who we are and who He is.
Let's go.
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- God, I thank You that You
meet us when we come to You,
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when we come and we knock on
the door of heaven, You answer.
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00:17:28
I ask that You would see us
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coming into this
room right here,
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coming to this place online,
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saying we want to
encounter the living God,
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the Creator of
everything we know.
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I believe it's well
within Your power
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and deep within Your
desire to meet us, God.
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It's in Jesus's name we pray.
Amen. Amen.
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So good to worship
with you guys.
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00:18:00
Y'all sound great. Sound great.
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00:18:03
You a little sweaty?
I know I am.
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My goodness, not a sweaty
as those high schoolers though.
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00:18:09
Just imagine,
it smells so much better here.
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00:18:12
Hey, why don't you turn
to somebody around you
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00:18:14
right now and just tell them
what was your favorite part
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00:18:16
of that Coldplay concert
last week. Have a seat.
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00:18:24
- Man, are you excited
about Epic Wonders?
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00:18:26
Now,
I don't know if you know this,
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00:18:28
but there are some
wild stories in the Bible,
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00:18:30
and they're not
here to entertain us
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like a lot of our shows
that we see on Netflix.
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00:18:34
They're actually here to
give us a clearer picture
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00:18:37
of who God is, and even a
clearer picture of who we are
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when we put ourselves
inside His story.
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00:18:43
So you definitely do not
want to miss that coming up.
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00:18:45
And speaking of another
thing you don't want to miss,
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00:18:48
I want to let you know
about something coming up
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that I'm super excited about,
and it's called Revival.
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00:18:53
We did this last year where
our entire church community
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00:18:56
came together in one place,
and we asked God to show up,
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00:18:59
and He really, really did.
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00:19:01
You know, I brought
my kids with me last year,
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00:19:03
and honestly,
we barely made it in
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00:19:05
before the fireworks started.
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00:19:06
It was crazy down there.
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00:19:08
If you were there, you know
exactly what I'm talking about.
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00:19:11
But I promise you, this year
we fixed the parking issues.
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00:19:15
It's not going to be a problem.
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00:19:16
And you definitely want to
mark your calendars for it.
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00:19:18
It's October 31st
through November 2nd,
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00:19:22
and it's going to be
at Base Camp in Ohio.
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00:19:25
Now, if you're part of
our Anywhere community,
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00:19:28
this is even more
impactful and more special
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00:19:30
because we're
combining the Revival
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with our Anywhere Weekend.
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00:19:33
The Anywhere Weekend
is when we come together,
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our entire online community
all across the world,
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00:19:38
and we connect and
we're doing it at Revival.
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00:19:41
So we're gonna do everything we
can to make it worth your while.
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00:19:45
So if you've got questions
about that, you can go ahead
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00:19:47
and email us at
anywhere@crossroads.net.
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00:19:50
We'd love to talk
to you about that.
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00:19:51
And I'd love to be
down there with you.
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00:19:53
So now today we're
talking about something
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00:19:56
that doesn't come up
that much in church,
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00:19:58
that we don't really talk about,
and that's doubt.
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00:20:00
I know doubt can feel like
the opposite of faith sometimes,
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00:20:04
especially when it comes
to something like giving.
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00:20:07
I mean, so many questions come
up like where is my money going?
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00:20:11
What if I don't have
enough money?
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00:20:13
Am I funding some giant private
jet for Crossroads people?
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00:20:16
And trust me,
I've had all of those questions.
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00:20:20
And just to put
your mind at ease,
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00:20:21
most of the time I'm flying in,
you know,
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00:20:23
I'm boarding in Group C,
so there's no private jet
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00:20:26
that you're funding
here at Crossroads.
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00:20:28
But I know a lot of times
when that doubt comes in
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00:20:32
we can just take a step back.
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00:20:33
But doubt doesn't mean that
we just don't lean into faith.
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00:20:38
In fact, you know, when we
trust God with our finances,
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00:20:41
we're saying, "Hey, I want You
to take control of this thing,
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00:20:44
and I want to let go."
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00:20:46
So if that's something
that you want to lean into
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00:20:48
a little bit more, you can
go to Crossroads.net/give.
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00:20:52
Now, today, if you're here
and you're wrestling with doubt,
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00:20:55
whether it comes to Jesus,
your faith, the church,
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00:21:00
hey, you're in the right place.
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00:21:01
In fact, our music team
has put together a song
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00:21:04
for you to process that in
a space that is safe for you.
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00:21:08
So let's check it out together.
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- Hey. Let's pray.
God, that song is so honest.
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00:25:33
It's so real. It's just --
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It speaks what I know is true
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for probably all of
us at some level,
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00:25:40
and for some of us at
a very deep, deep level.
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00:25:43
And God,
I believe that that's exactly
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00:25:45
who You want to speak to today,
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00:25:46
the people who would
say that song gives voice to
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this place of doubt
that I find myself in.
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00:25:52
God, there's a promise
that's made in that song
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00:25:55
is that as You will
meet us in our doubts.
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I believe you do that and I pray
that you would do that today.
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In Jesus's name. Amen.
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00:26:04
You know, I have been
thinking about this message
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00:26:08
for a while and eager to
give it because I just think,
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00:26:14
I think that's just
a real place where
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I know I found myself and
maybe you find yourself.
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00:26:19
I was thinking about
the fact that, you know,
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00:26:21
you probably could use
a punctuation symbol
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00:26:27
to define where you might find
yourself on your faith journey.
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00:26:30
And so just to have a
little bit of fun with these,
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00:26:33
I believe there's exclamation
mark people in the room.
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00:26:36
Now, when I said that 8:15,
someone right over this area
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00:26:39
is like, "Whoo! Yes!"
I'm like, "Oh, there you are.
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00:26:41
There's a there's an
exclamation mark person."
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00:26:42
This is a person who would say,
"Hey,
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as it relates to faith in
my life, everything's good,
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00:26:46
it's solid, it's great."
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00:26:48
And that is an
amazing place to be.
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00:26:50
We all experience some
exclamation mark moments
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00:26:53
in our spiritual journey.
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00:26:54
There's also probably
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00:26:55
some quotation mark
people in the room.
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00:26:58
Quotation mark people say,
"The Bible says it,
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00:27:01
I believe it,
and that settles it."
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00:27:03
And there is something
profoundly simple in a good way
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00:27:07
about that confidence
in God's Word.
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00:27:11
Now there's probably also some
semicolon people in the room.
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00:27:14
And let's be honest,
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00:27:16
none of us really know how
to use a semicolon. [laughter]
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00:27:21
So this is maybe the
person who is uncertain
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00:27:24
and kind of wavering,
or maybe even wrestling.
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00:27:27
Then there are ellipses
people in the room.
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00:27:29
I can be, all too often,
and ellipses people,
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00:27:31
which is that I'm
moving too fast,
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00:27:33
and I skip over the
really important things
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00:27:35
because I need to slow down.
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00:27:37
And maybe there's some ellipses
people like me in the room.
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00:27:39
Then there are these
kinds of people in the room.
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00:27:44
And that's a real place,
maybe of anger,
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00:27:48
maybe of bitterness,
pain, maybe burnt out.
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00:27:52
You know, you may not
think about these symbols
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00:27:54
as symbols of faith.
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00:27:55
This one, for sure,
you think of when you think of
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00:27:57
a symbol of the Christian faith,
the following Jesus, the Cross.
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00:28:00
And it is the most probably
ubiquitous symbol of our faith.
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00:28:03
But what I want to make
a case for today is that
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00:28:06
this symbol is equally
important in our faith journey,
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00:28:10
because, and we're going to
ask a lot of questions today.
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00:28:13
Here's the first one:
What if asking God
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00:28:15
honest questions
was more important
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00:28:17
than blindly accepting
and believing
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00:28:19
everything we're told about God?
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00:28:22
See, questioning
seems to be acceptable,
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00:28:24
I would say even
celebrated in our culture.
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00:28:26
It is certainly more celebrated
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00:28:28
to be intellectually curious
than to be certainly arrogant.
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00:28:34
That's why I love what
Bertrand Russell said. He said:
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00:28:43
Or you may think about the words
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00:28:44
of the wise prophet Ted Lasso,
who said:
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00:28:46
Be curious, not judgmental.
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00:28:50
So there's a word
when it comes to doubt,
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00:28:52
when it comes to questioning,
that's used a lot
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00:28:54
in our culture, and it's
the word deconstruction.
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00:28:57
And deconstruction
is a popular word.
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00:29:00
It's also a very
polarizing word.
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00:29:02
I think oftentimes people who
have a negative connotation
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00:29:05
to deconstruction think about
deconstruction at its worst.
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00:29:07
Which at its worst
is not really about
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00:29:09
trying to rebuild a faith
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00:29:11
or rebuild an understanding
of civic society,
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00:29:13
but it's really about
just tearing things down.
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00:29:15
And I think that's
oftentimes why people have
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00:29:17
a negative connotation
to the word deconstruction.
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00:29:19
But I would say
deconstruction at its healthiest
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00:29:22
is actually having the
courage to pull apart
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00:29:24
the things that you've
already believed,
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00:29:26
or who have been
passed down to you,
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00:29:28
so that you can
actually rebuild from that
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00:29:30
in authentic faith and get to
a place of true understanding.
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00:29:34
Now the question is,
what would Jesus say
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00:29:36
to those who are deconstructing?
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00:29:38
What would Jesus say to those
who are asking honest questions?
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00:29:41
I think this is what Jesus would
say in Matthew 7:7 He says:
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00:30:00
But maybe you grew
up in a church like mine,
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00:30:02
or maybe you just had
this question in this space.
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00:30:04
Well, Chuck,
doesn't wrestling with my faith
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00:30:06
and having these doubts
make me a bad Christian?
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00:30:09
To which I was saying, no,
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00:30:10
I think it makes you
a normal Christian.
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00:30:12
This is a study that was
done by Barna Research
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00:30:16
and they asked adult questions
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00:30:18
do you ever struggle with doubt?
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00:30:20
And this is what the data said,
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00:30:21
that 12% of the people
that they surveyed said,
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00:30:24
"I frequently
wrestle with doubt,"
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00:30:26
16% occasionally, 24% sometimes.
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00:30:30
So clearly,
the majority of people
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00:30:32
who identify as followers
of Jesus, 13 and above,
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00:30:35
that's who they looked at.
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00:30:37
These people say, "Hey,
I wrestle with doubt.
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00:30:39
I sometimes, I frequently,
or I always wrestle with doubt."
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00:30:43
Which may lead to the question,
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00:30:45
what are we to make
of the other 48%?
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00:30:47
They're liars. That's what
they are. They're lying.
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00:30:49
I mean, let's be honest,
no one on this stage me,
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00:30:53
Brian, any of the teachers,
anybody that leads worship,
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00:30:56
no one on this stage
is without our doubts.
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00:30:59
We're not without our doubts.
That's true for all of us.
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00:31:02
But here's the big idea today.
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00:31:04
What if Jesus
wants to show us that
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00:31:06
our doubts aren't
the barrier to faith,
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00:31:09
but that doubt is
a doorway to faith?
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00:31:12
That's what Jesus
wants us to know today.
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00:31:14
La duda es una puerta a la fe.
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00:31:18
And so we're going
to look at an encounter
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00:31:19
that Jesus has with one
of his 11 closest friends.
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00:31:22
This guy was one
of the 11 disciples.
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00:31:25
And just to give you context,
this story
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00:31:28
that we're leaning
into today happened
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00:31:30
after Jesus had
risen from the dead.
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00:31:32
Not only had He
risen from the dead,
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00:31:34
He had shown Himself to some
of the people who knew Him,
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00:31:37
and so they had seen
the resurrected Jesus.
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00:31:39
And yet in John 20:24,
we find these words. It says:
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So Jesus had come and appeared
to the ten other disciples,
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00:31:51
but Thomas wasn't there.
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00:32:05
Jesus was pierced on
His side on the Cross.
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00:32:09
And I just have to say,
I feel so sorry for this guy,
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00:32:14
this guy Thomas.
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00:32:15
You ever had a moment in your
life
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00:32:17
that wasn't your best moment
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00:32:19
and it becomes the moment
that you're defined by.
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00:32:22
I mean, for millennia,
the guy is honest.
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00:32:25
He's asking honest questions.
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00:32:27
And yet for millennia,
he's been nicknamed
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00:32:31
Doubting Thomas,
like that's his first name.
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00:32:34
I just feel bad for
Thomas because Thomas,
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00:32:36
I actually think,
has something to teach us.
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00:32:39
I don't think Thomas
was in a negative space.
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00:32:41
I think Thomas was in a
learning space, in open space.
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00:32:44
I think there's
something in Thomas
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00:32:46
that we all need
to learn from today.
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00:32:49
But I feel so bad for him.
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00:32:50
And you've had this happen.
You know how it is.
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00:32:52
You forget one birthday party
and you're Forgetful Frank.
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00:32:57
You know, I mean,
you show up late
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00:33:00
to one office meeting and
you're Tardy Tina, right?
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00:33:04
You miss one Zoom call,
one Zoom call
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00:33:08
and you are No-Show Nancy,
like, literally nothing there.
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00:33:10
There's just the blank screen.
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00:33:12
You spilled one cup
of coffee at Crossroads,
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00:33:14
and you are Messy Mike.
You know?
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00:33:17
You ask one awkward
question in a small group,
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00:33:19
and you're Awkward Annie.
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00:33:21
You know, you tell one boring
story, and you're Boring Bob.
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00:33:24
I mean, so not fair.
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00:33:26
It'd be like if people, you
know, caught you on a lazy day
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00:33:28
and they started
calling you Lazy Susan.
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00:33:30
Oh, wait. Ooh, that one's stuck.
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00:33:33
Sorry if your name
is Susan out there.
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00:33:36
But behind this nickname,
Doubting Thomas,
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00:33:39
is someone we can learn from.
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00:33:40
And the beautiful thing is,
what we see is
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00:33:43
that Jesus actually meets Thomas
in the midst of his doubt.
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00:33:47
And I believe He will
do the same for you.
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00:33:49
So let's just reclaim this guy.
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00:33:51
Let's give him a fuller picture.
There are other names.
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00:33:53
There are other names
that through millennia
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00:33:55
could be true for Thomas.
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00:33:56
You could call him Chosen
Thomas because think about it,
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00:33:59
of all the people who
ever lived on the planet,
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00:34:01
he was one of the 12 that got to
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00:34:02
walk with the Son of God
for three straight years.
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00:34:05
Man, that's an awesome thing.
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00:34:06
You could call him
Chosen Thomas.
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00:34:08
You may even call
him Loyal Thomas.
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00:34:10
Because Thomas, there
was this moment where Jesus
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00:34:12
was going back to
a city called Bethany,
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00:34:14
where the leaders
in and around that city
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00:34:16
had threatened to kill
Him if He ever returned.
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00:34:18
And while the other disciples
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00:34:19
had a little bit of
fear about that,
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00:34:21
Thomas is like,
"Let's go with Him,
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00:34:22
even if that means
we're going to die."
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00:34:24
So you can say he
was Ride or Die Thomas.
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00:34:26
I mean, he has other names.
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00:34:27
You could also say that
he was Seeker Thomas.
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00:34:31
Thomas asked a
profound question of Jesus
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00:34:34
that led to an even
more profound answer.
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00:34:36
We're going to look
at that in just a little bit.
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00:34:38
But the question Thomas asked
is: how can we know the way?
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00:34:43
Thomas was an honest seeker,
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00:34:45
and Crossroads is a
church that is for seekers.
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00:34:50
Our mission statement
is to connect seekers
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00:34:53
to a community of
growing Christ followers
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00:34:56
who are changing the world.
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00:34:58
And so that's the heart and
the heartbeat of Crossroads.
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00:35:01
We want to be a place where you
can wrestle with your questions.
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00:35:04
And so how do you
know if you're a seeker?
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00:35:06
You may be a seeker
if you're here today
-
00:35:08
and you're curious if God exists
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00:35:11
and you're open to exploring
it in a place like this,
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00:35:13
a church like Crossroads.
-
00:35:15
You might be a seeker,
though, if you're also
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00:35:16
a little bit wary or
apprehensive that, man,
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00:35:19
if I get closer to
these Jesus people,
-
00:35:21
are they going to be
hateful and judgmental?
-
00:35:23
Will I be welcomed
with who I really am?
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00:35:25
You might be a seeker
if you're in here today
-
00:35:27
and you're wrestling
with that kind of thing.
-
00:35:29
You may be ambivalent.
You may be skeptical.
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00:35:31
You may just be like,
"Man, I'm just confused
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00:35:33
about the whole,
you know, what religion.
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00:35:35
Everybody believes
all these things."
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00:35:36
If you're in any of those
places, but you're here today,
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00:35:39
you might be a seeker and
this church was built for you.
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00:35:44
You might rephrase our
mission statement this way.
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00:35:46
Crossroads is a
place that connects
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00:35:48
people asking honest questions
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00:35:50
to people who don't
know all the answers,
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00:35:53
but are pursuing a God who does
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00:35:56
so that we can change
the world together.
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00:35:58
That's the heart of our church.
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00:35:59
And so if you're here,
I want you to know,
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00:36:01
like, you're in the right place.
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00:36:04
And I think Thomas
was an honest seeker.
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00:36:06
Now, I have to say
this is a bit surprising,
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00:36:09
this story,
because you have to understand,
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00:36:11
Thomas had been hanging
out with these ten friends
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00:36:14
who saw the resurrected Jesus
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00:36:16
for
the better part of three years.
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00:36:18
They had laughed together.
They had slept together.
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00:36:20
They ate together.
They served together.
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00:36:22
They saw Jesus
do miracles together.
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00:36:24
So it is a little bit
surprising that Thomas is,
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00:36:27
like, "Wait, I know you
guys say you saw this,
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00:36:30
but I'm just not there yet."
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00:36:32
And I don't think it
was because, you know,
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00:36:35
he was like, arms folded,
didn't want to believe it.
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00:36:38
I think he just had some
honest questions, you know?
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00:36:40
I mean, look, let's before
we judge him, you know,
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00:36:42
any further, like,
if ten of your friends today
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00:36:45
tell you they saw somebody
risen from the dead,
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00:36:47
would you believe them?
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00:36:49
Let's just give Thomas
a little bit of grace.
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00:36:51
Because I think what Thomas
had is reasonable doubt.
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00:36:55
Thomas had reasonable doubt.
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00:36:56
Now, when I say he
had reasonable doubt,
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00:36:58
I don't mean that he
had the first Jay-Z album,
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00:37:00
which was called
Reasonable Doubt,
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00:37:02
which went over like a lead
balloon at the 8:15 service.
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00:37:04
But I'm thinking
there's more Jay-Z fans
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00:37:06
at the 10:00 service, right?
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00:37:08
All right, we got a couple.
We got a couple.
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00:37:10
So I'm not saying
that he had the album,
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00:37:11
although if he had good
taste in music, he probably did.
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00:37:15
But what I am saying is this,
reasonable doubt means,
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00:37:17
and I think this, I don't
think Thomas had no faith.
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00:37:20
I think Thomas was
really wrestling with this
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00:37:23
because he wasn't
going to bet his life
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00:37:25
on something he didn't
fully understand yet.
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00:37:29
And I actually want to
suggest that is the right way
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00:37:33
to approach a
relationship with Jesus,
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00:37:35
to have reasonable doubt.
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00:37:37
Because to be clear, following
Jesus comes at a very high cost.
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00:37:42
I mean, Jesus says, "Take
up your cross and follow me."
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00:37:46
That was Jesus basically
saying to the people of the day,
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00:37:49
take up an instrument of death,
die to yourself daily.
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00:37:53
And that's what it
means to follow me.
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00:37:54
And be like Jesus
saying to us today,
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00:37:56
take up your gas
chamber and follow me.
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00:37:59
Take up your electric
chair and follow me.
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00:38:01
Take up your lethal
injection and follow me.
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00:38:04
Do you get the sense
that following Jesus
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00:38:06
is a high cost kind of thing,
like, an all in kind of thing?
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00:38:09
It absolutely is.
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00:38:10
Jesus is countercultural
in almost every way.
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00:38:13
To follow Jesus will
make you countercultural
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00:38:15
in how you think about time.
-
00:38:17
It'll make you countercultural
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00:38:18
in how you think
about relationships.
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00:38:20
It'll make you countercultural
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00:38:21
in how you think
about your money.
-
00:38:23
It is an all in kind of
thing to follow Jesus.
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00:38:27
And so I think
the Christian faith
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00:38:28
doesn't just allow
for reasonable doubt.
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00:38:30
I think it almost requires it.
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00:38:32
Greg Boyd wrote
a great book on this
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00:38:33
called The Benefit of the Doubt,
and he says this:
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00:38:47
Tim Keller, another well-known
pastor,
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00:38:49
put it this way, he said:
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00:38:50
Our faith without doubts
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00:38:52
is like our body
without antibodies.
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00:38:55
We don't have
anything to stand up
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00:38:57
to the resistance
when life falls apart.
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00:39:00
And I think there's
something true to that.
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00:39:02
In fact, I want to say this.
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00:39:03
Some of us,
we need to lean into our doubts
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00:39:07
because maybe
we've inherited a faith
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00:39:10
that's more culturally
a part of our family
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00:39:12
than something we've personally
wrestled with and believe.
-
00:39:15
And I just want to tell you,
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00:39:17
if your mother and
father follow Jesus,
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00:39:21
you're not getting
heaven on their faith.
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00:39:23
If your grandmother,
like mine, prayed for you,
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00:39:26
praise God for that, but
you're not getting to heaven.
-
00:39:29
You're not getting a
relationship with God
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00:39:31
based on what your grandmother
or your grandfather did.
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00:39:33
My sister said this to me.
I never forgot it.
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00:39:35
She said, "Chuck, God does not
have spiritual grandchildren."
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00:39:40
Meaning you got to
know Him for yourself.
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00:39:42
And for some of us,
that means we gotta,
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00:39:44
like, step out of just
the cultural norm.
-
00:39:46
"Yeah,
my family always went to church.
-
00:39:47
Yeah,
I guess I believe this stuff,"
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00:39:49
to really wrestling and
coming to a place of conviction.
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00:39:53
That's what we need.
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00:39:55
Back to Thomas, man,
I wonder what it was like
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00:39:58
because Thomas
has that encounter
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00:40:01
with the disciples
who had seen Jesus.
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00:40:04
And then for eight days you
know what Thomas experienced?
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00:40:08
Nothing. Nothing.
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00:40:11
Jesus didn't come back,
show Himself to Thomas again.
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00:40:14
Thomas had eight days
of deconstruction, I think.
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00:40:17
This is what it
says in John 20:26:
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00:40:25
But man,
think about those eight days.
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00:40:27
I think it was eight
days of doubting.
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00:40:30
"My friends,
they're not lying to me?
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00:40:32
I don't have a
category for this."
-
00:40:35
I think it was eight
days of longing.
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00:40:37
I think Thomas was like,
"If this is true,
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00:40:39
why doesn't Jesus
just appear to me?"
-
00:40:42
And maybe you've
asked that question.
-
00:40:43
I mean, I think Thomas was
really in a place of struggling.
-
00:40:46
I mean, I think there's
probably people in here
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00:40:48
who feel like Thomas
did in those eight days.
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00:40:51
Where you like Crossroads,
you've been coming,
-
00:40:54
and you know what?
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00:40:55
You may even love
some of the people here
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00:40:57
because they're your spouse
or your kids or your parents.
-
00:41:01
And for them,
the faith thing is clicking,
-
00:41:04
like, they've gotten
baptized or they're the ones
-
00:41:07
that are raising their
hands and worship.
-
00:41:08
Like something's happened.
-
00:41:10
They get it in a way
that you haven't gotten it.
-
00:41:13
And you might feel a little
bit on the outside looking in.
-
00:41:16
And I just want to say to you,
if you feel that way,
-
00:41:19
man, I don't think you're
doubt means you're distanced
-
00:41:23
and further from Jesus.
-
00:41:24
I want to encourage you
that maybe your place of doubt
-
00:41:28
means you're knocking
on the doorway.
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00:41:31
And Jesus is knocking on the
doorway to reveal Himself to you
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00:41:35
like He revealed
h\Himself for Thomas
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00:41:39
and like He did for me.
-
00:41:41
I was thinking about
this in my own life.
-
00:41:44
And, you know, I had a
period in my early teen years
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00:41:48
where I wouldn't say I had
a lot of intellectual doubts
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00:41:52
about the story of the Bible,
but I certainly
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00:41:54
had to go on a journey of,
like, do I believe this for me?
-
00:41:58
And where does this
information come from?
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00:42:01
And it helped me actually.
-
00:42:02
I think it's one of the reasons
why I'm a teacher today
-
00:42:04
is because I really
wrestled with that truth
-
00:42:06
and had to work through that.
-
00:42:07
So when I think
about doubt in my life,
-
00:42:09
I don't think about
these intellectual doubts.
-
00:42:11
But I tell you what
I do think about.
-
00:42:12
I think about experiential
doubts that I still can have.
-
00:42:16
The places where I have
doubted God the most have been
-
00:42:19
the places where life has
been the most hard for me.
-
00:42:22
So I think about my
dad who had dementia
-
00:42:26
and never was healed of it.
-
00:42:29
I think about how there
have been times where
-
00:42:32
I wasn't sure if my
marriage was going to last.
-
00:42:35
I think about the time
when I built something
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00:42:37
that I felt called to build,
-
00:42:39
and yet in this
particular season,
-
00:42:40
it felt like it was literally
crumbling all around me.
-
00:42:44
And in those moments,
if I'm honest,
-
00:42:45
those are the moments
where I deal with doubt.
-
00:42:48
Those are the moments
when I have to wrestle
-
00:42:50
with questions like,
is this just a sham?
-
00:42:53
Have I just been saying this
so long that I believe it too
-
00:42:55
but it's not necessarily true?
-
00:42:57
Why isn't God showing
up for me in my real life?
-
00:43:01
Why is it I see this person
having this experience
-
00:43:03
and this person
having this experience,
-
00:43:05
and yet I feel like
there's a brick wall
-
00:43:06
between me and heaven?
Nothing seems to be working.
-
00:43:10
And I've been in those places.
-
00:43:11
Those are the places
that I have had doubt.
-
00:43:16
And I have to be honest
with you, the only reason
-
00:43:18
I think that I haven't
jettisoned it all,
-
00:43:21
the only reason
that I haven't done
-
00:43:23
what tons of pastors in
America are doing every day,
-
00:43:26
walking away from faith.
-
00:43:27
The only reason that I
haven't done that is because
-
00:43:30
if I'm honest, in those places
where life was the hardest
-
00:43:33
and I felt the most
distance from God,
-
00:43:35
what I was experiencing from God
-
00:43:38
was such gentleness
and kindness.
-
00:43:43
I never felt judged.
-
00:43:46
I never felt like I
couldn't be honest.
-
00:43:50
And it didn't mean that all
of a sudden I got the answer,
-
00:43:52
all of a sudden
the thing changed.
-
00:43:54
But man,
all I can tell you is this,
-
00:43:56
when life is at its hardest
-
00:43:58
and my doubts have
been the highest
-
00:44:01
is when I have experienced God
be at His most gentlest with me.
-
00:44:05
And so I just want to
encourage you that your doubt
-
00:44:08
can be a place where
you encounter God.
-
00:44:11
Because let's be honest,
if you're in here
-
00:44:13
and you're sitting with doubt,
you don't --
-
00:44:15
You don't need more
information necessarily.
-
00:44:17
I'm not going to
give you 3 or 4 facts,
-
00:44:19
and all of a sudden
you're going to be, like,
-
00:44:21
"Oh, now I don't doubt anymore."
-
00:44:22
That's not how it works.
-
00:44:24
We don't need more information.
-
00:44:26
You know what we need?
-
00:44:27
We need an encounter
with the living God.
-
00:44:30
We need to experience
the living God coming to us.
-
00:44:35
And I believe He
still comes to us.
-
00:44:37
I believe He's a God who
still wants to encounter you.
-
00:44:41
Because here's another question,
-
00:44:42
what if we weren't
created to just be seekers,
-
00:44:45
but we were
created to be finders?
-
00:44:48
We're created to be people
-
00:44:49
who actually do
encounter the living God.
-
00:44:52
You know, there's a time and
a place for being open minded.
-
00:44:56
There's a time and a
place for being open handed
-
00:44:58
about things of faith.
-
00:45:00
But when you begin
to encounter God,
-
00:45:02
it's time to move
from open handed
-
00:45:04
to closing your hands on
the truth you've experienced.
-
00:45:08
It's time to go from a place
of standing at the doorway
-
00:45:11
that is called doubt,
and walking through the doorway,
-
00:45:14
not perfectly,
not because you're 100% certain,
-
00:45:17
but because I'm
experiencing something
-
00:45:19
that God seems to be drawing me
-
00:45:21
and so I'm just going
to take the next step.
-
00:45:23
There's a time for that.
There's a time for that.
-
00:45:26
Because I want you to
know this: Jesus is truth,
-
00:45:30
but He's not the kind
of truth that's an idea.
-
00:45:34
Jesus is a person, and He wants
you to embrace Him as truth,
-
00:45:39
and He wants to
embrace you as truth.
-
00:45:42
He wants you to build
your life around Him.
-
00:45:44
I told you that Thomas
asked a profound question,
-
00:45:47
that Jesus provided an even
more profound answer to.
-
00:45:50
Thomas said, "Lord,
how are we to know the way?"
-
00:45:53
And in John 14:6 Jesus
answers him and says:
-
00:46:03
But Jesus stands ready.
-
00:46:06
He stands able to help you and I
-
00:46:09
walk through the
doorway of our doubts
-
00:46:11
and take, maybe baby steps,
but intentional steps
-
00:46:15
toward the living truth.
-
00:46:16
That's what he did for Thomas.
-
00:46:18
And so what I want to
do is I want to take you
-
00:46:20
into Thomas's
encounter with Jesus.
-
00:46:24
Eight days later, Thomas
had an encounter with Jesus.
-
00:46:27
And I believe you can
have this encounter as well.
-
00:46:30
So we're going to do something
-
00:46:31
a little bit different
for several minutes.
-
00:46:34
And what it is is we're
going to do something
-
00:46:37
called imaginative
reading of the Bible.
-
00:46:39
Because the truth is I wasn't
there in the first century.
-
00:46:42
You weren't there
in the first century.
-
00:46:43
We weren't in the room.
-
00:46:45
But God has given
us the best tool
-
00:46:46
for encountering Him
that we could ever want,
-
00:46:48
and that is our very own mind
and our very own imagination.
-
00:46:51
So I'm going to have
you do something
-
00:46:52
that's been a practice of
mine in reading the Bible.
-
00:46:55
For the last couple of
years I've been doing this
-
00:46:57
more and more and finding it
-
00:46:58
to be very,
very life giving for me.
-
00:47:00
And I pray that it
will be for you as well.
-
00:47:02
So we're going to turn
it down in the room.
-
00:47:04
And I'm going to invite you
to actually close your eyes,
-
00:47:08
if you're comfortable.
-
00:47:10
If you are uncomfortable
with your eyes closed,
-
00:47:13
you can certainly
keep them open.
-
00:47:14
And I think you can still
be with us in this moment.
-
00:47:19
Rather than just
reading this story
-
00:47:22
of Thomas's
encounter with Jesus,
-
00:47:24
I want you to experience it.
-
00:47:28
So why don't you take a moment
-
00:47:30
and as you settle where you are,
-
00:47:33
just take a few deep breaths.
-
00:47:49
And just let your mind be still.
-
00:47:52
And now imagine
yourself in the room
-
00:47:57
with Jesus's disciples
after His resurrection.
-
00:48:04
You're there in the
quiet upper room,
-
00:48:09
and the air is thick with
a mix of fear and hope.
-
00:48:15
You look and you see the
disciples huddled together,
-
00:48:18
whispering,
glancing at the door.
-
00:48:23
And the room smells
of oil lamps and dust.
-
00:48:29
And then you look
and you see Thomas.
-
00:48:33
His face is a mixture
of disbelief and longing.
-
00:48:42
And as you're in that room,
suddenly Jesus appears.
-
00:48:49
Not with a burst of noise,
but with peace.
-
00:48:54
In fact, His peaceful
presence fills the room.
-
00:48:58
You can sense it.
-
00:49:01
And you see Jesus
look at Thomas.
-
00:49:04
I mean, really look at him.
-
00:49:08
And Jesus's voice
is gentle and steady.
-
00:49:12
And as you see Jesus
start to walk toward Thomas,
-
00:49:15
you realize He's
going to give Thomas
-
00:49:17
what Thomas needed,
what Thomas asked for.
-
00:49:22
And so you see
Jesus lift His hand,
-
00:49:25
showing the scars to Thomas.
-
00:49:29
And then you hear Jesus gently
-
00:49:31
as He speaks these
words to Thomas.
-
00:49:35
"Thomas, put your finger
here and see My hands.
-
00:49:40
And put out your hand
and place it in my side.
-
00:49:44
Do not disbelieve, but believe."
-
00:49:51
As you watch this interaction
in your mind's imagination,
-
00:49:54
what are you
thinking or feeling?
-
00:49:58
Take a moment to just
catalog your thoughts.
-
00:50:06
How does Jesus appear
to be toward Thomas?
-
00:50:10
Is He judging him
or is He loving him?
-
00:50:15
If you were to step into
Thomas's shoes in this moment,
-
00:50:19
what would you be
thinking or feeling?
-
00:50:22
Again, take a moment
to express those thoughts
-
00:50:24
in your own heart and mind.
-
00:50:33
After Thomas has this
encounter with Jesus,
-
00:50:36
after he's touched His hands
-
00:50:37
and placed his hand in His side,
Thomas responds.
-
00:50:43
He says, "My Lord and my God."
-
00:50:48
In this moment, Thomas's doubt
was turned into deep belief.
-
00:50:54
Thomas doesn't
just call Jesus Lord,
-
00:50:57
which is a title used over
and over again in the Gospels.
-
00:50:59
He calls him my Lord and my God,
-
00:51:03
affirming His divine nature
in unmistakable terms.
-
00:51:08
In fact, Thomas the Doubter
-
00:51:11
is the first to declare
this definitive faith.
-
00:51:18
And as you watch this moment,
you also notice that
-
00:51:20
it's not a distant
faith for Thomas,
-
00:51:23
because he says,
"My Lord and my God."
-
00:51:29
See, Thomas's doubt
didn't distance him from faith.
-
00:51:33
It was his doorway into
real faith, a deep faith,
-
00:51:38
a lasting and
personal faith in Jesus.
-
00:51:45
Stay in that room.
Stay in the scene.
-
00:51:51
And now imagine this.
-
00:51:54
As your eyes are fixed on Jesus,
you turn
-
00:51:58
and you see that
Jesus turns slowly.
-
00:52:02
And now Jesus is
looking straight at you.
-
00:52:07
His eyes meet yours,
not with anger, but with love,
-
00:52:14
with a knowing smile
and deep compassion.
-
00:52:20
And as Jesus looks at you,
He says the words we find next,
-
00:52:24
"Have you believed
because you have seen Me?
-
00:52:27
Blessed are those who have
not seen and yet have believed."
-
00:52:34
And you realize that Jesus
is speaking those words
-
00:52:36
as a blessing to you,
as an invitation to you and I.
-
00:52:44
Imagine Jesus saying this
to you right here, right now.
-
00:52:52
Just stay in that moment.
-
00:52:56
Fix your eyes on Jesus's eyes.
-
00:53:00
What do you feel
as He looks at you?
-
00:53:05
How does His voice sound to you?
-
00:53:08
What do you see in His eyes?
-
00:53:14
I want to give you a
chance to respond.
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00:53:18
Just take another minute
and whatever seems good
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00:53:22
and right to share with Jesus
in this moment, just say it.
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00:53:27
You might want to
say it under your breath.
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00:53:29
You may want to say it just in
the quietness of your own heart.
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00:53:31
You might want to
write something down,
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00:53:33
but just take a minute,
stay in this moment with Jesus.
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00:54:15
Finish that last thought.
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00:54:19
And when you're ready,
take a deep breath,
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00:54:21
open your eyes and
come back to present.
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00:54:38
I'm going to say
something to you
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00:54:40
that you probably never
thought a preacher would say.
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00:54:44
I actually don't think
Jesus is that interested
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00:54:48
in you moving from
doubt to certainty.
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00:54:52
I think what Jesus
is most interested in
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00:54:55
for you and for me is that
we move from a place of doubt
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00:54:58
to a trusting
relationship with Him,
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00:55:02
where even in our uncertainty,
we recognize
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00:55:05
that He loves us and we
don't have to earn that love.
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00:55:08
We can just receive it by faith.
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00:55:10
A relational trust by which
we realize, "You know what?
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00:55:13
I don't have to figure
this out on my own
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00:55:15
because He is with me."
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00:55:18
A relational trust that says
even when hard things happen
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00:55:21
and pain comes and the
prayers don't get answered,
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00:55:24
that doesn't mean
that I have to think
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00:55:26
the lie that somehow
I'm abandoned.
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00:55:28
But instead, even in those
most painful moments of life,
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00:55:31
I can remember that
Jesus promised that
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00:55:33
He will never leave
me or forsake me.
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00:55:36
I am not abandoned. I am loved.
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00:55:39
I think that's what
Jesus wants for you.
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00:55:43
And so maybe you're
today in a moment
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00:55:45
or in a place of doubt.
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00:55:47
Maybe you've been at
the doorway of doubt.
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00:55:50
And I believe that if
doubt is a doorway to faith,
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00:55:54
our response is to take
steps in that direction.
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00:55:56
So I want to give you
three practical steps,
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00:55:58
three practical steps.
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00:55:59
They'll be up on the screen
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00:56:00
if you want to take
a picture of these
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00:56:02
or whatever helps you
kind of crystallize this
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00:56:04
and figure out what is
next for you in your journey.
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00:56:07
And the first is simply
be honest with God.
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00:56:10
Be honest with God.
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00:56:12
You know,
I think some of us, we hide
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00:56:15
behind our intellectual
objections to faith.
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00:56:19
We frame it as like, "I don't
know if I believe the Bible.
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00:56:21
Can the Bible be trusted?
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00:56:23
Like,
there's some things in the Bible
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00:56:25
that feel like they
don't make sense to me.
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00:56:26
Or maybe I don't think
the Bible has credibility
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00:56:29
because it's been, you know,
gerrymandered by man."
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00:56:31
Sometimes that's real.
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00:56:33
Sometimes we hide behind
those intellectual doubts
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00:56:36
because what really
is struggling for us
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00:56:38
is we've been hurt.
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00:56:41
We may have been hurt by people
who call themselves Christian.
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00:56:46
We may have experienced
abuse in any kind of form
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00:56:48
by people who showed
up on Sunday morning
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00:56:51
and act like they love Jesus.
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00:56:54
And I just want to say,
if that's you, man,
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00:56:56
just be honest
with God about that.
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00:56:58
In fact, let me give
you a very tangible way
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00:57:00
that you can do that today.
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00:57:01
After I pray there
are going to be people
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00:57:03
up here at the front who
would love to pray for you.
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00:57:05
And you can come up to
them and you can just say,
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00:57:07
"Hey, here's what I
would like prayer for."
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00:57:09
Or maybe you want to do this.
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00:57:11
Maybe you just
want to say that doubt
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00:57:13
out loud to another person,
someone who will just hear it,
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00:57:17
be present with
you and pray for you.
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00:57:19
And so I just want
to encourage you,
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00:57:21
maybe your step today is
simply to be honest with God.
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00:57:26
Second step that you
may want to consider.
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00:57:28
Revisit the story.
Revisit the story of Thomas.
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00:57:31
I think there's still so much
to glean from that story.
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00:57:33
It's found in John
20:24 and following.
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00:57:37
And maybe you need
to again this week,
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00:57:39
give yourself five minutes,
ten minutes
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00:57:41
to just reflectively
read the story,
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00:57:43
to go back into
that imagination,
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00:57:46
to be back in that room and
see if there's anything else
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00:57:49
that Jesus might want to reveal.
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00:57:50
I believe that you can
encounter Him in that way.
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00:57:53
And so maybe that's the
action step for you this week.
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00:57:55
Third thing.
Hey, just stay in the room.
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00:57:58
Just stay in the room.
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00:58:00
Maybe you just still
have a lot of doubts,
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00:58:02
you're still really wrestling.
That is okay.
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00:58:05
Crossroads is a place for you.
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00:58:07
So literally stay in the room.
Stay in your room.
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00:58:10
Keep coming.
Come with your questions.
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00:58:13
Come with your
curiosity and know that
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00:58:15
this is a place where you
won't be judged for that
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00:58:17
because you're in a
community of other people
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00:58:19
who are asking
honest questions too.
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00:58:22
And I believe
that this is a place
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00:58:24
where you can
encounter the living God.
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00:58:26
And if that hasn't happened
for you yet, hang in there
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00:58:29
because I believe Jesus is
coming for you and He loves you.
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00:58:32
So I want to
encourage you this week
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00:58:34
with a closing prayer
as we leave this moment
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00:58:37
that you would continue
on this journey with Jesus.
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00:58:40
So let me just pray for us.
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00:58:41
God, I ask this week
that You would give
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00:58:44
all of us the courage of Thomas,
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00:58:47
the courage to be honest
with our reasonable doubts.
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00:58:52
I pray also that you would
give us the courage of Thomas
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00:58:57
to close our hands on
truth as we encounter You.
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00:59:01
And so I pray, God,
that whatever the next steps are
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00:59:04
for all of us in here,
we would know that
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00:59:07
we're not the only
one taking steps,
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00:59:10
but that You are
actually coming toward us
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00:59:12
And I believe You
will encounter us.
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00:59:14
And I pray this in Jesus's name.
Amen.
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00:59:17
- Man,
I am so thankful for a message
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00:59:19
like that from Chuck on doubt.
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00:59:20
I don't know about you,
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00:59:21
but I've definitely had
my own doubts in my life,
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00:59:24
especially when it comes to
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00:59:26
losing
people that are close to me.
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00:59:27
And so maybe that describes you.
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00:59:29
I would just encourage
you to lean in a little bit.
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00:59:32
I think you can take
those things to God.
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00:59:35
I believe he can handle it
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00:59:36
and He actually
wants to hear from us.
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00:59:38
So do that, keep leaning in
and wrestle with your doubts.
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00:59:42
That's something I've done
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00:59:43
and I've found that God
always shows up when I do.
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00:59:46
Now, before we sign off,
I want to talk to
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00:59:48
you folks that are not near
our Crossroads buildings.
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00:59:52
We build community digitally,
and actually
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00:59:54
it's one of my favorite places.
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00:59:56
I'm in there all the time.
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00:59:57
I challenge you if you think
you can up my gift game,
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01:00:00
if you can top me,
I say bring it on.
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01:00:03
But we build community in
there and there's even classes.
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01:00:06
In fact, I'm actually hosting
one in a couple of weeks,
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01:00:09
and the only way
you can get to it
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01:00:11
is through the Anywhere Home.
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01:00:12
So you can scan the QR
code that you see on the screen.
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01:00:16
And I will see you in
the Anywhere Home.
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01:00:19
But that's it for me.
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01:00:20
We'll see you later.
Thanks for joining us.